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 The Land Search
Q: Where is KHTI looking for land?
A: The "search area" is currently defined as being within three hours' drive of Mount Diablo, (or the intersection of Rte. 24 and I-680 in Walnut Creek) which is roughly the demographic center of the Central West Kingdom. Since different people drive at different speeds, we of KHTI interpret this as roughly 150 miles of driving distance on freeway or three hours driving time over the particular roads to a potential site. This is not a straight line measurement, and can be drastically different from the straight line distance if an area is only accessible by twisty mountain roads. The map within this website will give you a reasonable idea of the current search area boundaries, but if you find something ideal which is slightly outside them, let us know.
 
Q: Why is KHTI looking for land in that large/small an area?
A: That search area remains within what the original Board of Trustees of the West Kingdom Land Fund felt, after surveying the populace, was a reasonable driving range for anyone who lived in the central part of the Kingdom of the West. Land bought any further out would make it difficult for a large portion of the populace to reach the site on a regular basis. A smaller area would cut us off from most of the affordable land in Northern California. A second survey held in 1991 upheld this as a valid premise.
 
Q: What kind of land is KHTI looking for?
A: The ideal site would comfortably hold over 2001 people (to allow for the expansion of the Kingdom), be perfect in every way, and be easily accessible to the Kingdom of the West and its central Principalities.
 
Q: What are the actual parameters for a site which would be suitable?
A:At least 60 acres that are reasonably level and usable, although more would be better. (This has been increased from the previously published value of 40 acres. The increase is based on our experience that 40 acre parcels were not meeting all of our needs.) Larger parcels are better, in general, because they will allow for expansion in the future and more activities in general. 

A 60 acre parcel is acceptable if it is isolated (no close neighbors or plans for development). A larger piece of land will provide a buffer zone if there are neighbors or other modern world items close by (freeway, roads, flight pattern of an airport). 

  • At least 10 acres (minimum!) of flat and level land in one area or two associated areas for use for the Eric and camping space. Additional areas suitable for camping would be a plus. 
  • An additional 8 acres (minimum!) suitable for parking. This doesn't have to be as level or as nice as the camping area, and could be in several areas, not necessarily all in one lump. It does have to be reasonably accessible from the camping area. 
  • Available water, by well or county service. We will drill our own well if there are other recent wells in the area or an hydrologist's report suggests that we can get good water. Year-round access to the site on reasonable roads. 
  • Year-round means throughout the normal tourney season, not necessarily December through February. "Reasonable roads" are defined as usable by the average under-maintained, overloaded SCA car, not a brand new 4-wheel drive vehicle. 
  • Shopping for basic needs (supermarket, hardware, etc.) within half an hour of the site. 
  • Emergency services (hospital, fire, police) within half an hour of the site. 
  • Zoning that allows for our intended use and for construction of privies and showers at the very least. (There are many zoning categories which will allow our usage, and a few which will not. Zoning as Agricultural Preserve is the one zoning which is (usually) incompatible with our usage. 
  • Extras that will make the parcel more attractive include sewer connections, shade trees, electricity (power hook-up for running well pumps or other necessary equipment), possibility of phone hookup, running water (creek or river), a small woods and/or hilly terrain for battles. 
  • Bottom line: Would you attend and enjoy an event on the parcel you are looking at, after minor improvements? Once you had attended one event on the land would you come back on a regular basis? If you answer "No" to either of these questions, then there is probably something wrong with the piece even if you can't specify what it is.
 
Q:What problems might disqualify a site from consideration?
A:
  • Zoning: The biggest single bar to acquisition of a piece of land has turned out to be zoning. This was something of which we were unaware when we started the search, but it is now the first question we ask about land. The zoning of the land will determine whether or not we will be able to obtain a conditional use permit to do what we want to do with the land. Specifically, we have discovered that Agricultural Reserve zoning is next to impossible to change and is a bar to the uses we want to put the land to in most counties. On the other hand, zoning for a campground would be ideal. 
  • County Politics: We will have to obtain a conditional use permit from the county in order to hold events on the site. Some counties have already indicated to us that they are unwilling to issue new permits for our kinds of activities (i.e. large group camping). 

Anything that would make it difficult-to-impossible to hold an enjoyable tourney on the site and which cannot be corrected. There are several things to watch for. Some of the more important items include: 

  • Modern Intrusion: Railroad tracks with trains, the ability to hear or see a freeway, being under an airport landing pattern, other unpleasant aspects that are unavoidable reminders of the modern age. 
  • Accessibility: Excessive driving time on poor roads, inability to get to the land at certain times of the year (i.e. regular road closure), access only across someone else's land unless the access is invisible to the land owners. 
  • Terrain: Some up-and-down-ness is reasonable; mountain sides are not. We want to camp, not ski. Fighting and camping cannot be done on a slope. We probably cannot afford extensive terrain modifications, although we can probably do some minor leveling. Terrain will also affect our ability to make certain improvements such as leach-fields for grey-water disposal, and other sanitary improvements. 
  • Soil and vegetation problems: Extremely bad soil which would make camping on the land uncomfortable (one piece we rejected had ground that was covered with broken obsidian!). Enough star-thistle growing that it would be hard to eliminate it could be a bar. Scrub brush is not a problem; we can clear brush. 
  • Bad drainage and the like: If the flat area turns into a bog when it rains, then that would not be a good place to put the camp. If the access road will be subject to flooding with every rain, that's not a good idea either. Regular flooding of a significant portion of a site next to a river would also bar the purchase. 
  • Extremes of weather: If it is regularly very windy, or if it's too hot during the summer and/or too cold during the spring and fall to use the land, we probably don't want to buy it. (We know that we probably won't find a true year-round site, but a site as close to that ideal is what we are aiming for.) 
  • Neighbors: A site too close to residences. If houses are within sound range, the piece is probably unusable for our purposes. Again, a piece of land larger than the minimum (60 acres) would provide a buffer zone especially if the usable portion is near the center. 
  • Cost Limitations: If it costs more than $300,000 we could not afford that particular piece of land at present, no matter how ideal it is. We need to be able to put down enough money so that we are not carrying back a large mortgage, and we will need to keep some money for improvements and a reserve. (If someone wins the lottery and wants to donate the money to KHTI, please see us!). Please note, however, that some parcels for which the asking price is greater that $300,000 may be considered if the owner might accept a lower offer. (For instance, if the land has been on the market for some time, or if the owner is sympathetic to our purposes, the cost might be brought down.)
 
Q: I'm a little confused. How big is an acre?
A: An acre is defined as 4840 square yards; it sounds big, but it isn't. A square 210 feet (70 yards) on a side is approximately one acre. A parcel 1/4 mile on a side is 40 acres. An acre is not all that big a piece of land for the purposes we are considering. The standard Kingdom Lists are 100' by 200' and are approximately 1/2 acre. The central camping area around the Eric at a usual Kingdom event is about three acres. Recent experience has shown us that we are using at least three times that area in total camping unless we are really crowded.
 
Q: How can I help look for land?
A: There are two ways you can help. First, the more people we have out looking for land, the more likely it is that we will find something suitable. However, please be aware that, while you can scout for land, only the Directors of KHTI can enter into legal negotiations for purchase. Once you find something interesting, please contact the Land Acquisition Committee at the KHTI address, with the description of the parcel and the listing agent's name and business phone number and we will make further contacts and investigate the parcel. There are forms which we use in land evaluation available at KHTI displays and also available from the Secretary at the KHTI address. Use of these forms will help us, but is by no means mandatory. You can also access these forms through our web site. 

Second, you can help by volunteering for the Land Acquisition Committee. (Send your letter to the KHTI address.) The Land Acquisition Committee consists of several Directors and KHTI volunteers, each with responsibility for a specific geographical area in the thirty-nine county search area. We need as many people as possible involved in the land search to cover such a large area. If you have some knowledge of real estate and are able to make a significant time commitment, you can join the Committee and be responsible for your own region. Or, if you have less time and experience, you could work with one of the committee members to investigate leads in your own area. At this time, assisting with the land search is one of the most important ways you can contribute to KHTI.

 
Q: Who should I contact if I find a suitable piece of land?
A: Please contact the Land Acquisition Committee at the KHTI address. Please send us the following information: location, size, price, and name and telephone number of the Realtor handling the property. Include any additional information which you think might be relevant. Please do not initiate extensive contacts with the Realtor or owner unless we ask you to. As we have discovered, negotiations for property can be extremely delicate.
 
Q: Will a finder's fee be paid?
A: Not by us. (If you are a licensed real-estate broker the usual fees and commissions are not a "finders fee", but a usual price of doing business.)
 
Q: Will the Kingdom get to see the site before it is purchased?
A: KHTI has a Council of Advisors, consisting of the reigning Royalty, Great Officers of the Kingdom and others invited by the Directors, who will be invited to tour any land selected before purchase is completed. We have, in the past put the approval of that Council as a condition on our purchase in the purchase offer.
 
Q: When will we buy land?
A: When we find a good piece of land, which meets our needs, for a price we can afford. Until we find a piece of land that meets our criteria, we will not buy land.
 
Q: Why hasn't land been bought by now?
A: A combination of lack of funds, lack of suitable land and zoning problems. (Especially zoning problems; there have been several nice parcels with zoning which prohibited our use.) We have examined many sites in the past few years. We have not found an acceptable site we could afford. We considered over sixty in the summer of 1999 alone. The ones that seemed like good sites had price tags from three times to one hundred times the contents of our bank accounts, while the ones that were near our price range were suitable only for mountain goats, or had significant other problems.
 
Q: What if land is never found?
A: KHTI will dissolve and the money will be transferred back to the West Kingdom accounts.
Q: Will all Kingdom of the West (and Principality) events take place on the land?
A: That depends on the Kingdom administration, not KHTI. However, It has never been the plan for all Crown events to take place on the land. Twelfth Night and other Crown events will continue to be held at diverse sites around the Kingdom of the West when suitable sites and autocrats are found.
 
Q: If not all the events are going to be on the land, why bother?
A:Because having a site whose primary purpose is holding Western events is a safeguard for the Kingdom that is becoming more and more necessary. It is becoming hard to find sites that are large enough to hold Kingdom, or even Principality, events and which are willing to rent at an affordable price. The KHTI land, with its specified purpose, provides for a reliable backup site even when the event was originally planned to take place elsewhere.
 
Q: What is the current status of the land search?
A: As of January, 2001, the search is active. No parcels are currently in negotiation, but several sites are under active review. Please note that even though we may be in negotiation on a property at any time, we still want to investigate any land leads you hear about. Please review the land search criteria in this pamphlet and KEEP LOOKING.

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